Everton seeking double loan move that includes Phillips

Anybody think Kalvin Phillips is better than anyone we already have??

I don’t!!!

He’s not but, if they sold Onana for example and replaced him with Phillips on loan, perhaps it allows us to keep other players. Who knows?

Not a signing that excites but Dyche’s capable of turning the players’ fortunes around.

Dan, I agree with what you say.

If Phillips is brought in on loan as Onana’s replacement and this helps us keep Branthwaite for one more season, I don’t think that is bad business.

I know Phillips had a bit of a nightmarish time at West Ham and the media seemed to be focused on every single mistake of his, but I am confident that Dyche can help him rediscover his Leeds United form.

The same report says that Everton are working on bringing back Jack Harrison on loan once again. So that would be our Premier League loan quota completed.

It’s not just West Ham where Phillips struggled. He was poor at Man City (admittedly with few chances) and was pretty poor in his last season at Leeds.

He had one good season in the Premier Leaague and one good season in the Championship when Leeds were promoted.

A decent player when settled and fit but given our finances can we afford to pay £80k+ per week to an injury prone player whose best form was 3-4 years ago?

A lot of our recent mistakes have been due to trusting reputation over form (Alli, Gomes etc). It depends on the deal and if we could get him for £50k p/w then I wouldn’t mind so much but he’s not cheap.

Sorry but No to both.

Harrison is inconsistent and did not improve as the season unfolded.

Philips is the new Dele Alli. A great footballer who has lost his way. His loan spell at West Ham was a complete disaster. The English game has bypassed him. He’s better off in the Italian or French leagues.

Seriously?

Kalvin Phillips is another mis-firing high roller.

He’s on 6-year contract at City that runs through 2027, with a salary of around £120k per week, so how much of that would they fund to get him out on loan?

Surely not yet another waster, the like of which we’ve seen far too often over the years?

Maybe it’s all so much pre-transfer window blather and won’t happen… with TeamTalk saying “City are keen to sell the midfielder for a ‘significant’ fee in the coming weeks and months.”

Hopefully, Thelwell knows better than to take either of these.

But he signed Beto and Chermiti, so we can’t rely on his judgement.

I am with Sam and Michael.

I can’t remember the last time Phillips had a decent game and his wages would far outweigh his contribution.

I would much sooner Ndidi for defensive midfield and make a pitch for Summerville to replace Danjuma.

Chyna Phillips offers more at this point.

No thanks.

Phillips was overweight at Man City then dropped out of the squad at West Ham, that hints at problems.

Maybe the money has gone to his head, who knows? Dyche will know a lot better than me. Not sure about him.

Harrison to keep is a no-brainer the state we are in, next season looks like another nail-biter.

Given our finances, yes to both from me.

More to come from Harrison; Philips lost his way for a couple of years, but there is a player there. Both could really benefit from a Dyche pre-season – remember, Harrison was injured when we got him.

The only way we can put a squad together is by getting players others don’t want, then getting more out of them than others would have done. In other words, the opposite of what we’ve been doing since Moshiri took over.

Phillips could be one of those. However, it worries me that Moyes stopped picking him.

I’m still on the fence re Harrison, but No to Phillips, even the West Ham fans turned on him. We can’t afford any more expensive flops.

I’m sure there’s hungry youngsters out there – bloody well find them!!!

Good initial read, Dan, I have to think about it. I believe Dyche could give him a system in which he can be effective, very effective.

The wages and durability is a problem. We need someone in that position 80% of the matches played, I don’t think he is capable of that.

Dele (or no Dele)?

Does seem a bit like déjà vu.

Pat, it’s just not a ToffeeWeb thread without your whining about Beto and Chermiti.

Beto was bought with no money up front. We had no money! Chermiti was a young, upcoming player who could be developed and sold on.

Ellis Simms was going in circles in his development. As was Tom Cannon. We were offered good deals that would benefit our PSR standing, given that they were home grown and could go on the accounts as “pure profit”.

We know that Beto isn’t amazing. We may well sell him on. Chermiti has come on well late in the season, and will hopefully get more game time this season.

Please, Please, I’m begging you: move on. You post the same comment every fucking where.

Michael #8, it’s actually £150k according to both Spotrac and Capology, both reliable sources.

Nonetheless, Phillips is a prototype of the kind of player we must gamble on — a talented train wreck who needs a new start. Like Dele, he’s more gifted than anyone we have. Unlike Dele, he’s physically healthy. If Man City will pay half his salary, I reluctantly endorse this.

100% in favor of bringing back Harrison. I’m biased — I was directly behind his Bournemouth volley and it was a moment of magic that I will cherish forever. His energy is relentless, his defensive work is crucial to Dyche’s system, and he can pick a pass.

Yes, he loses every challenge, both on the ground and in the air, but a guy with a heart that big has a place in this depleted squad.

Not for me.

We have had some luck with rejuvenating jaded stars, but there are more failures than successes.

Where Brighton go for a Mitoma, Caicedo etc, we are after Philips after not succeeding at West Ham.

Apart from being available, it stinks of lazy scouting to me –again.

Wouldn’t mind this at all. Think it has the potential to go well with a full pre-season behind him. Could do a lot worse and hopefully there’s some fire left in his belly to make it work as he’s on Easy Street at the moment.

Pay half his wage, low risk and then potential to spend whatever limited funds are available on some pace at right-back and right-wing.

Ajay, Harrison is a Championship player – meaning we’ll have one Premier League slot remaining if we loaned in Phillips.

There’s a few out-of-contract players who’ll inevitably attract attention and be linked with us. Iheanacho, Ndidi and Brownhill… plus don’t be too surprised if Dyche has his eye on Chris Wood either.

Don’t sign Phillips on loan on £150,000 a week wages or Harrison on £90,000.

It was paying exorbitant wages on average players that got us into the financial state we are in. Look for young talent for lower transfer fees to develop.

Ian @21,

The thing is Brighton don’t buy to succeed, they buy to sell. You can almost guarantee that the likes of Ferguson and Mitoma will be sold without the club re investing the obvious silly money they’ll receive.

Where does it get them? 11th & 48 points… the same 48 points we would have had if not for the deductions.

It is well known we have to sell and do not have 2 beans to rub together. I really hope we can hang on to Branthwaite, Calvert-Lewin and Pickford. That leaves Onana and Beto for potential sale.

While I think Onana will come good, I believe he is the most dispensable out of all the potential sales. As a result, I can see the logic of bringing in Philips as a direct replacement, as long as we could negotiate his wages.

I for one think Chermiti could be a diamond in the rough. I would even try playing him alongside Calvert-Lewin. Therefore Beto along with Maupey are surplus to requirements.

It sounds like we might also be interested in the young lad from Newcastle and so, as long as we can get these deals done quickly, along with Harrison and maybe a midfield playmaker, the squad will be no worse than it is now.

This should be good enough to keep us in the Premier League next season and hopefully, with a decent purchaser, we could then start recruiting for the future. At the moment, beggars can’t be choosers!!

Ladies and Gentlemen, please remember we haven’t got “a pot to piss in”. Shame that Mbappe chap turned us down eh?

Two experienced Premier League players and hopefully, a couple or three ‘up & comers’ from the Championship would do for starters.

Rob #18,

We got £13.5M for Simms and Cannon and spent most of it (£12M) on Chermiti. I don’t see much pure profit in that, especially if you compare those players’ likely valuations now.

We added £26M to our debt pile for Beto. No one is going to take him off our hands for that kind of money.

Another turned head, I reckon; no thanks.

Not that good anyway.

I know football is all about opinions, and that applies to player assessment too, but I totally agree that neither of these will add anything significant to the playing side.

I was initially made up when we got Harrison on loan last season, but for me, he is a bit like a ‘Duracell Bunny’ with little or no end product.

Let’s move on to players who may make a difference. Maybe paper talk, but if we are genuinely linked with these two, the money side can’t be as dire as we are led to believe.

I prefer we go for hungry players who see us as a step up, like Tarkowski, than players from the Manchester clubs.

We are a parochial non-entity by comparison.

I’m less than sure about the Man City lad. If he can’t get on with Moyes, then there is little chance of him being able to please Dyche for whatever reason. Man City would also need to carry a large proportion of his wages for us to be ultimately interested in him. It is all a bit of a big ask.

As for Harrison. Not once did I see him take on an opponent and pass him last season. Maybe I’ve got that wrong and no doubt someone will tell me so, but that is my lasting impression of him. Energy, tracking back and helping in defence – Yes. But he is supposed to be a winger making and scoring goals, for goodness sake.

I know we are hard-up but I think we can do more to help the squad than bringing in those two.

If I could take one Leeds player on loan it would be Dan James.

Fast, all effort, and dangerous around the box.

Noooooooooooo, and nooooo again.

Please no!

A big No to both. We can’t afford players on Phillips’s reported wage. Those days are over.

As for Harrison, hard worker but zero productivity in the final third. How many times didn’t we see him run down blind alleys before ceding possession? Can’t cross, won’t cross.

Pa t@29, I could well be wrong but I’d wager that Chermiti will go on to have a better career than Simms or Cannon.

I’m not sure either of them will ever cost more than £20M in today’s money whereas, if Chermiti reaches his potential, then he’ll be worth double that at least.

As for Beto, I think he’ll do okay. He’s a £15-20M striker who we paid more for because of no cash up front. If you gave him almost 3,000 minutes (like Simms in the Championship) he’d have scored more than 13 and was scoring at a faster rate than that in Serie A, a tougher league.

Was that a WWF reference?

Anyway, what is missing is the point that Philips will make Harrison more productive. Harrison just needs someone to play off to use what he has. They formed a decent counter attack tandem on the right at Leeds.

I have to say no, no, no. We are not a charity shop.

I’m sick of having the likes of Dele Alli and Young and fucking Delph sponging from our coffers.

Start using the youth, start being a club youngsters want to come to because we give them a chance.

Talking of Tom Cannon further up the thread, I see he has earned his first Ireland International call-up.

Was there any of these so-called add-ons which sometimes can include a player earning his first full international cap, and a fee being paid to the selling club by the buying club?

Even if there is, I doubt it would be very much anyway.

Because Pat, profit and sustainability is based on profit and loss performance realised, not unrealised balance sheet valuation.

We made an instant £13.5m profit in those players.

The cashflow of which might have gone to partly go against cheemitis fee, partly back to the club.

In terms of psr, we booked £13.5m gain, and will have expensed 1/5 of chermitiis cost assuming a 5 year contract. So around £11m better off under pSr.

Sam #39, agreed. Beto was a decent scorer in Serie A — not great, but consistent — whose game is about constantly attacking defenders and wearing them down. His lack of production for us is down to lack of minutes, which is ironic because he’s a helluva lot more durable than DCL.

As for young Chermiti, I like him very much… fine first touch and plenty of confidence, and three years younger than Simms.

Dale #40, good point.

Ed #35, agreed, if he’d been subbed on earlier Leeds might have bailed out that playoff.

Peter #34, he had 51 successful dribbles this season and three assists, second on the club to McNeil in both categories. His problem is steering into blind alleys and then losing the ball, but he does attack off the dribble. And we don’t have anybody else (besides Dwight and maybe Gana) who will even try it.

As Howard posted #13 Harrison was injured when he was loaned out to Everton.Dyche selected him when fit and he was always likely to favour bringing him on board.

Phi!ip a is a good player.Dyche must feel he can get a job out of him.It would be difficult to get selected at Man City, so he may be glad to get the chance to p!ay.

I’d say no on Phillips.

He looked great a few years ago to be sure. And I believe there’s definitely a “new Club” dynamic that can work with a lot of players who have an off year or two.

Thing is, Everton can’t even afford to buy the players who have a year or two of subpar performances but clearly have talent. They’re expensive and a calculated risk. We can’t afford to play the calculated risk game.

I’d prefer us to promote younger players or grab solid players from the Championship at this point.

We have no money. If we get new ownership that can clear out a majority of the debt and set up Everton on solid financial footing, then absolutely look for this type of player in these types of “new Club needed” circumstances.

Just don’t do it right now. Stay up the next 2-3 years while the finances are righted under new ownership. That’s all I care about any longer honestly. I don’t want us squandering finances on players who need a new environment, it’s just too risky.

And when you’re coupling risk along with writing hot checks, shit usually doesn’t work out in the end.

Anthony @ 48 –

There’s talk about DCL going to Newcastle.

Where? Where did you see this report? If you have a link please post.

I’m not challenging you, just want to read for myself because if there’s anything at all in that, it’s frightening.

So I’m blinders on, didn’t see anything Madagascar Penguins style, until I see some article even mentioning that move.

I’ve seen a couple of people advocating Dan James over Harrison.

There is absolutely zero upgrade there.

In fact. Harrison’s stats in the premier league are vastly superior.

You think Harrison is bad for running into dead ends. Christ almighty.

We don’t have any money to spend. Literally zero.

We will likely sell DCL and Branthwaite or Onana this summer to balance the books.

Whether we like it or not, players like Phillips are all we can hope for so why people are complaining is beyond me.

Honestly, we’ll be lucky to sign anyone on loan given the state of things at Everton. Phillips was brilliant for Leeds not so long ago, and he’s had some injury difficulties but he’s a very very talented footballer – something we have a very little of in our midfield.

I’d be happy if we took him on loan. If you think we can do better with no money and sales on the horizon in order to not incur more points deductions, I’d love to hear all about them.

People saying we can’t afford his wages? How do you know this? Where’s your proof of these claims? I don’t claim to have any information on what Everton can or can’t afford but I do know we’ll need to sell players and our only potential options of incomings are freebies or loans so why not a quality footballer like Phillips?

I fail to understand what people have against this deal, even if he was underwhelming at West Ham (off the back of some injuries and playing next to never at City). He’d be in our first 11 every week for certain and that’s what good players need.

Very disappointed with Harrison, would rather have David Brooks on loan to play in a three man Midfield.

As for Philips…no thanks,we need a wide man on the right to take on players with pace and be our out-ball player when we’re under the cosh…Dolan at Blackburn would fit the bill perfectly.

As for a Striker… Shankland at Herts would do for me as Beto and Maupay look to be off and we simply can’t rely on DCL’s fitness,if his transfer to the Toon doesn’t come off.

There’s some decent players at Coventry too… Palmer,Torp and O’Hare…all would improve us greatly,look to the lower leagues for a Branthwaite clone as well,if sadly he is sold on (either this season or next).

What exactly is Thelwell getting paid for? Is it that difficult for him to scour the african continent for an Adingra of Brighton or the lad Bellegarde at Wolves.

I’m a bit puzzled, Thelwell and team have know the clubs predicament for some time and would have had to become much more smart and savvy with signings going forward.

Harrison has not pulled up any trees, i’d much rather we spent the loan fee on a young kid, likewise Onana’s replacement. I think there is real upside to both replacements if Thelwell could actually identify a couple of rough diamonds.

Kunal (57) unfortuneatly, it isn’t that simple due to visa requirements and, since we opted for Brexit, we no longer have the same level of access to players who are currently plying their trade in continental Europe.

As I understand it, there is strict criteria applicable to incoming footballers who have to be at least well established international players for their home countries before a visa will even be considered, so the prospect of unearthing “hidden gems” in Africa or South America” falls at the first hurdle.

I would say no as well.

He wasn’t that good at Leeds and did not surprise me when he couldn’t get into City’s lineup and then couldn’t get into an average Hammers team.

Okay, injuries don’t help and Southgate didn’t help by wrongly picking him for England. He would be like many other flops coming to Everton and we certainly don’t want any more sick-notes getting big money for sitting on the sidelines.

Harrison did show promise but like many Everton starters last season wasn’t consistent enough.

I see Daniel Jebbison is a free agent now. Still only 20 years old. His career has gone off track due to injuries, but he looked a great prospect when he scored against us at Goodison as a 16 year old when Carlo was managing us.

I’d take a punt on him and send Chermiti out on loan for a season.

If Mr pineapple is any better than Tom Davis I’ll eat my yarmulke!

Some on here don’t want Barkley back but would have a fake footballer to keep us away from a relegation fight. Imagine if we get caught out by City shafting us with a cash plus bobblehead for Branthwaite, still happy? West Ham couldn’t wait to get rid city can’t wait, ( He possibly added to Moyes leaving.) “Duh where shall I go duh? Oh I know, soft arse Everton, they are easily conned, so long as I run about a bit I’ll fit right in” If Mr Thelwell cant do any better than this fk him off, he’s a fraud too!

Mr pineapple to Everton, no thanks.

Losing an experienced midfielder who has fallen out of favour. Yeah sure. I’m not sure that’s Phillips though. He seems more like a once-prospect who has lost his way and become a burden on any club who has him on the books.

We will need to bolster the squad. I don’t think we need to take chances like this. If it’s a loan move for experience then someone dependable would be a better option.

Paul 64, your football analysis is on the Dole.

This is reading like a few still have some difficulty in accepting the proposition that Thelwell and Dyche are the only reliable people at Everton making football decisions. Just remember, when you continually make all or nothing bets, sometimes you end up with nothing. Like post 64.

Jamie #51, that chatter has been all over the British media since last week.

Gavin #63, please tell me you’re not actually advocating a “punt” on a player based on one goal four years ago — since which he has done nothing above League One.

Kunal #57, when you wonder what Thelwell “is being paid for”… you mean aside from signing Tarkowski, McNeil, Garner, Gana, Onana and Beto, all of whom but the last have been major reasons we’re still in the PL? You mean aside from clearing out enough deadwood to build a small town? DoF’s don’t “scour Africa”, they hire networks of scouts to do it, and we don’t have funds for that.

(BTW, Wolves didn’t find Bellegarde in Africa, they “found” him in Ligue 1 after 200 appearances at Lens and Strasbourg. He’s French born and raised.)

Denver #61, until we get new ownership we are most definitely “being run season to season with the sole purpose of staying in the PL” because we have no choice. And so far we’re successful.

Reports of West Ham staff being shocked by Phillip’s attitude in training. Seeing him tell some West Ham fans to fuck off.

Too many red flags for me.

Surely a good attitude is a pre-requisite for any Dyche signing. We fought our way out of trouble this season with a fighting spirit and a real togetherness within the squad.

I’d hate to see us jeopardise that just because a player of moderate ability might be going cheap.