Wednesday, November 6, 2024

Everton reject insultingly low Manchester United bid for Branthwaite

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Updated Manchester United have made a move for Jarrad Branthwaite, with Everton reportedly rejecting a derisory opening offer of just £35m, with a further £8m in add-ons.

According to an initial report by Mail Sport, the Red Devils were preparing a bid after the Blues placed a £70m price tag around the 21-year-old’s neck and other sources corroborate that the two clubs are now in talks.

The likes of The Express and the Manchester Evening News, meanwhile, claim that Branthwaite has agreed personal terms with United, paving the way for him to move to Old Trafford this summer if Everton accept an offer.

However, Everton’s stance is that the defender isn’t for sale unless they receive an astronomical fee and, at present, the two clubs are miles apart in terms of valuation.

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The former Carlisle centre-half had a breakthrough season in the Premier League with the Toffees in 2023-24 following a hugely successful season on loan in the Eredivisie with PSV Eindhoven the year before and he narrowly missed out on a place in the England squad for Euro 2024.

Branthwaite is regarded as the most promising player in his position in the country for his age and, under different circumstances, Everton might well have been able to demand a record fee for a centre-half.

However, with cash at Goodison Park incredibly tight and the Toffees needing to make sales before the end of the financial year on 30th June, their bargaining posiiton has been weakened considerably.

 




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Brian Williams


1 Posted
13/06/2024 at
22:36:12

Multiple reports that Man Utd have agreed personal terms with Branthwaite.

If true how the fuck can they do that before reaching agreement with the club over the transfer fee?

So wrong, again if true, when a player is under contract to a club.


Tommy Carter


2 Posted
13/06/2024 at
22:37:24

Not a bad fee for a player Dyche considered inferior to Michael Keane just 9 months ago.


Roger Helm


3 Posted
13/06/2024 at
22:45:33

He could do a lot better than Man Utd.

I would rather take the points deduction resulting from an overspend than sell him just to balance the books.


Gavin Johnson


4 Posted
13/06/2024 at
22:51:10

£70M is very low considering Carlisle are due 10%… We should be asking for someone like Diallo and £70M to make up Branthwaite’s true worth.

I’d rather take a 3-point deduction and keep him for another season rather than sell on the cheap.


Barry Shearer


5 Posted
13/06/2024 at
22:51:37

This is a player we should not be losing.

I also fear for him. He won’t have Tarkowski with him who he has learned a lot from and might not have that same rapport whomever is with him at Man Utd.

£70M is an insult as well. Hope there is a sell-on clause. We’d better not be getting Maguire.


Kunal Desai


6 Posted
13/06/2024 at
22:53:24

I imagine this deal will be done before 30 June and we’ll get shafted on the terms due to being desperate to comply with PSR, together with the ownership all up in the air.

Shame we could not keep him for another season.


Ian Wilkins


7 Posted
13/06/2024 at
22:55:21

It is so frustrating that PSR forces us to sell our best players at discounted prices, it makes it harder to meet PSR requirements, has us going round in circles, and we can’t move forwards.

How many points is Jarrad Branthwaite worth? Should we take a 3-point deduction? And call me old fashioned but agree the fee before the player agrees terms. Yes, we have a 30 June deadline, but it just weakens our negotiating position.


Ryan Holroyd


8 Posted
13/06/2024 at
23:11:05

The Bill Kenwright legacy.

Keep Jarrad Branthwaite and take the points deduction.


Gavin Johnson


9 Posted
13/06/2024 at
23:37:52

Based on how many media outlets are reporting it, it seems Branthwaite is going and we’ll be lucky to get £70M.

I thought we owed Carlisle 10% of the fee, but the Daily Mirror are saying it’s 15% which makes £70M (or less) absolutely derisory for a player of Branthwaite’s ability and potential.

Let’s hope another club come in for him and price Man Utd out of the deal.


Dan Parker


10 Posted
13/06/2024 at
23:47:44

As with Rooney, nowhere near enough given he’s a full decade or so ahead of him.

Pathetic if we let Ratcliffe get away with a lowball offer.


Jamie Sweet


11 Posted
14/06/2024 at
00:21:19

Yeah, keep Jarrad, take the points deduction.

In the end, they could have taken 20 points off of us this season and we would have survived (that’s amazing when you think about it, isn’t it?!).

Admittedly that was down to how terrible the Bottom 3 were though. Safety might be up around the 40-point mark again next season.


Nick Page


12 Posted
14/06/2024 at
00:40:32

If Branthwaite is worth (at least) 6 points a season, the 3 we’ll get for the PSR shite is irrelevant.

Can these twats even do basic maths? The worst bit is, the useless cunts will spew the money on a load of garbage, as per usual. They literally can’t wait to sell, this lot.

Keep him for one more season – his value isn’t going to decline at such a young age. Absolutely maddening. Still the worst run club in English football, by a fucking mile.


Mal van Schaick


13 Posted
14/06/2024 at
04:50:01

Do not sell Branthwaite. Keep him, and borrow even more to keep him. We will hopefully have new prosperous owners at the club soon. We have a new stadium coming into effect in 2025-26 season and Everton as a club will be on the up. Keep the better, youthful and experienced players, ditch the dross and hand on in there.

Last season, we more than survived, and proved how invaluable it is to have a group who are together and fighting for us. A lot of those players can improve us again, and by adding a few more decent players to them, next season could be an even better one.

Do a Man City. Do whatever it takes to avoid the grasp of Masters and the Premier League, regarding financial rules, until such times we are solvent with new owners.


Tommy Carter


14 Posted
14/06/2024 at
06:20:15

Not a bad fee for a player Dyche considered inferior to Michael Keane just 9 months ago.


Denis Richardson


15 Posted
14/06/2024 at
07:14:34

To be fair, £70M is a big fee. I realise how good he is and he’s likely to get better but, given our predicament, we have little choice. There doesn’t seem to be anyone interested in Onana for a big fee, nor Calvert-Lewin.

The club sale won’t help with PSR and failing to comply this year would probably cause an issue with the sale as we’d be looking at another points deduction. The bottom 3 next year will likely not be anywhere near as bad as last season.

I just hope that it’s £70M cash and Maguire is nowhere near the deal. Man Utd have loads of players they want out – please just take cash.


John Keating


16 Posted
14/06/2024 at
07:15:43

I agree with others regarding taking a points deduction to keep him.

However, if the Club are of a mind to sell, it appears they’ve put an £80M price tag on him. He shouldn’t go for a penny less.

None of this, so much if he plays so many games, so much if he wins a league or cup etc.

£80M as a fee plus add-ons.


Kevin Prytherch


17 Posted
14/06/2024 at
07:57:33

If they’re bidding £70M now, we should hold out. There’ll be others interested either before 30 June or before the end of the transfer window.

Although, as others have said – I’d rather take the hit on the points


Robert Tressell


18 Posted
14/06/2024 at
08:06:54

Very unrealistic comments about choosing to take a points deduction instead of selling.

After the situation this season, any blatant and deliberate breach is likely to result in very serious sanctions – much worse than this year (and indeed we might get points deductions this year anyway due to our ongoing financial situation).

Otherwise, the message would be that the Premier League rules do not really apply anymore and you can do what you like.

So maybe 15 points? 20 points? And a continued toxic relationship with the Premier League. We obviously won’t do that and nor would any other club in our situation.

It isn’t a sign of ongoing incompetence at the club – it’s a legacy of previous incompetence biting us on the arse.


Tony Abrahams


19 Posted
14/06/2024 at
08:14:02

We don’t care that you have been mismanaged to death and have been in a relegation battle during the last few years. We showed you this last season when we gave you two points deductions even though our sanctions had already weakened your playing squad.

It’s simple really: sell one of your best players cheaply by 30 June or get another points deduction. PSR in a nutshell.


Rob Jones


20 Posted
14/06/2024 at
08:39:25

Disgusted to read the BBC article this morning about how the Man Utd have agreed terms with Branthwaite.

Whatever happened to “tapping up”? Why the hell are BBC so blatantly undermining our player?


Anthony Dove


21 Posted
14/06/2024 at
09:06:06

This is unbelievably depressing news. I can’t believe there’s not something fishy here with Southgate leaving him out of the squad. For fuck’s sake, get the new owners agreed in principle at least and make sure we keep him.

Apart from the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, Branthwaite is the club’s most valuable asset, so why on earth would any new owner sanction his sale???


Ian Wilkins


22 Posted
14/06/2024 at
09:12:15

There are no reports of Man Utd offering £70M for Branthwaite, they are low-balling; it is suggested £50-55M. Whilst Everton are publicly digging in, in reality, they have to accept whatever Man Utd offer. There are no other offers, it seems, and we cannot sell anyone else prior to June 30 (Onana at the Euros etc).

Prepare to feel absolutely mugged by losing a rising star cheaply courtesy of PSR. Personally, I’d take the 3 points and it can’t be more as a legal precedent has been set by Forest and us after appeal.


Ray Roche


23 Posted
14/06/2024 at
09:22:30

Robert @16

“Any blatant and deliberate breach is likely to result in very serious sanctions.”

How can keeping your best young players be regarded as a deliberate breach?

The Premier League is being run solely for the benefit of the rich clubs. Remember the League spokesman saying that Leicester winning the Premier League was ‘bad for football’ because it affected the revenue from the Far East?

Football has been ruined. Rules regarding tapping up are routinely disregarded because it’s usually the Rich Six that are hoovering up the young talent to prevent rivals getting them, only to send them out on loan after loan without any real thought for the young players’ future. Unless he’s like Branthwaite, exceptional.


Christopher Timmins


24 Posted
14/06/2024 at
09:24:55

£80M or no sale! The only reason we should sell at an undervalue is where there is an immediate danger of Administration.

The worst run club in the Premier League!


Jimmy I’Anson


25 Posted
14/06/2024 at
09:30:09

We’ll probably sell him and still fail PSR.

That would be classic Everton.


Anthony Dove


26 Posted
14/06/2024 at
09:43:01

The other really depressing thought is that its not just a PSR issue but to raise the money to pay for Beto.

Can things get any worse? Probably.


John Pickles


27 Posted
14/06/2024 at
09:53:54

As the money just disappears down the PSR plughole and is not reinvested, we stand a good chance of being relegated without him.

If he goes with no funds for rebuilding, if I was Dyche, I’d walk. His stock is high at the moment, he could get a stable Premier League job now; why try to pull off an even greater miracle by trying to keep an even worse squad up?


Brian Harrison


28 Posted
14/06/2024 at
09:54:05

When the DOF comes out and states we will have to sell players, is it any wonder that clubs interested in buying our players will offer well below the market value? Then there is the 12% sell-on clause to Carlisle on whatever we get for Branthwaite.

With Godfrey not signing a new contract and Calvert-Lewin still not having signed a new contract, wouldn’t it have made sense to sell these players first before Branthwaite, who has just signed a 4-year deal with no get-out clauses?

As for holding out for £70M with only 16 days left before the accounts deadline, we may have to accept a hell of a lot less for a player who I believe will be an England regular for years to come.


James Newcombe


29 Posted
14/06/2024 at
10:00:42

“Nice defensive prospect you have there. He’s clearly going places. It would be a shame if we…” kicks tyre “were to structure the rules and skew the league itself, so he has to join one of the Heavenly Sky Six in order to meet his ambitions and keep your little club in business. A real shame.”


Brian Williams


30 Posted
14/06/2024 at
10:21:03

John #25.

For fuck’s sake, mate, a ball hasn’t been kicked in the Euros yet — never mind the Premier League.


Raymond Fox


31 Posted
14/06/2024 at
10:33:31

Sorry to say he’s a certainty to leave, we always sell our best players, don’t we? I’m very surprised Pickford is still an Everton player, in fact.

We are not in a strong bargaining position, skint and the player probably wanting to play for the ‘great’ Man Utd.

My question: Is Branthwaite as good as he has been talked up to? I’m not sure.

The way things are, though, I think we should ask for £100M and look to get £80M; it’s worth a try – there’s more than Man Utd interested.


Ian Pilkington


32 Posted
14/06/2024 at
10:56:41

I have not seen any evidence that we are likely to breach P&S limits if we do not make a large sale by 30 June.

It is clear that Onana is keen to leave and hopefully he will enhance his value in the Euros, so why should we consider selling Branthwaite and how can personal terms have been (illegally) agreed? The BBC as usual is regurgitating dross from the tabloids and Football Insider etc.

An article in yesterday’s Telegraph suggested that Manure’s transfer funds will be relatively limited: “perhaps as low as £50M” and that Ratcliffe was horrified by the excessive fees paid for Antony and other flops.

Kenwright gave Rooney away for £26M to keep himself afloat as owner, not to keep the club afloat. Branthwaite is our finest prospect since Rooney and with the sale of the club at endgame I don’t see any reason to sell our most valuable asset. He certainly wouldn’t be advancing his career at Man Utd.


Michael Bennet


33 Posted
14/06/2024 at
11:15:51

Man Utd have already agreed personal terms with Jarrad Branthwaite. They apparently want him for £40M… we want £70M… so probably be somewhere in the middle.

Sad – and so it carries on that we are a feeder club for them…


Jack Convery


34 Posted
14/06/2024 at
11:15:59

mThe fact his reps have sorted terms means he’s definitely going. You wouldn’t do that otherwise. EFC have put it out there we want £70M – £80M. On 30 June he will be sold for far less, ie, about £40M – £45M with Man Utd paying Carlisle Utd their percentage.

Everton will come out and state “We had no choice, with no firm offers from other teams for Jarrad or any of the current 1st team on the table. We have been warned we will face further sanctions for PSR and the possibility of administration cannot be discounted, given the ongoing shambles of trying to sell the club. This despite some really good offers to buy laying in Moshiri’s In-Tray.” Sorry folks that’s all for now!!

ps: Comparing his sale value to that of Maguire’s transfer is a bloody insult and the rest of it proves beyond doubt how “fixed” the Premier League is.

pps: I’ve said this before but, if Southgate turns up at Old Trafford as their next manager, the whole thing stinks. Jarrad playing for England in the Euros would have put his price up even more and would have brought more bidders to the table. How on earth anybody thinks Dunk, Guehi and Gomez are better is beyond belief. Being in the squad would have stopped a sale before 30 June too, giving EFC the chance to play real hardball. It might even explain Man Utd keeping hold of Ten Hag.


Alan J Thompson


35 Posted
14/06/2024 at
11:26:13

How’s that song go?

“Know when to hold, know when to fold, know when to walk away, and know when to run”.

Is Thelwell that good or should we be seeking some sponsorship from those willing to purchase the club?


James Hughes


36 Posted
14/06/2024 at
11:27:06

Jack,

The FA have stated there have been no approaches for Southgate. Ten Hag has been retained. Southgate is too negative for club management.

We need to keep Jarrad and alas sell Onana, who will become a very good player – just maybe not with us.


Dave Abrahams


37 Posted
14/06/2024 at
11:27:59

John (25),

I think Dyche is the one person I don’t want to leave Everton FC at the present time. Stability is what’s needed now; Dyche has provided that over the last 18 months and I believe he will continue to do that.

Raymond (29),

Why are you surprised that Pickford is still an Everton player?

A lot of the top clubs have bought goalkeepers in the last few years… none have bid for Pickford even though he has been England’s ‘keeper for many years.

He’s on an excellent contract at Everton and seems more than happy here. I don’t think there has been any big demand by other clubs to sign him which doesn’t really surprise me.


Gavin Johnson


38 Posted
14/06/2024 at
11:45:58

Fabrizio Romano now saying we won’t take less than £65M?!

It was £85m not long ago. Stories about the fee we’ll accept seems to be going down by £5m every few days.

Absolutely embarrassing!! Ratcliffe must be rubbing his hands!!


Brian Williams


39 Posted
14/06/2024 at
11:57:11

Gavin #36.

Don’t be embarrassed. The figures are plucked out of the air by the media.

I’d bet a fair wedge that it’s not the club putting those figures out.


Brian Williams


40 Posted
14/06/2024 at
11:59:12

Am I right in thinking (sure I read it somewhere) that England players in the Euro squad were banned from transfer talk, meeting etc while away in Germany?

If that is the case, it makes the fact that Jarrad was bumped even more annoying.


Paul Hewitt


41 Posted
14/06/2024 at
12:12:17

I don’t get attached to players nowadays. If we sell someone, then he goes. Jarrad wasn’t even in our team 12 months ago.

The fact we could get £70M for him is a good deal to me. I’m sure this is how Carlisle fans felt when we took Jarrad off them. We just need to go and buy the next Jarrad from another club.


James Hughes


42 Posted
14/06/2024 at
12:23:37

Paul, I agree with the sentiment but the fact he wasn’t in the first team 12 months ago is irrelevant.

Unless fame goes to his head. he is going to be an amazing player; solid defenders are hard to find.


Ian Jones


43 Posted
14/06/2024 at
12:26:06

Brian, think it’s the opposite. Gareth Southgate indicated he was totally relaxed about players discussing transfers with interested parties.

That does seem odd because you would like to think players would be concentrating on the football but life goes on.


Laurie Hartley


44 Posted
14/06/2024 at
12:26:17

If Branthwaite really has agreed terms with Man Utd and wants to leave, then he will go.

Unfortunately, unless Man City, or a “big” European club enter a bid, then United will have the upper hand at the negotiating table – purely because they know our financial situation and the likely penalties for another breach of PSR.

Remember Lescott and Stones; same scenario only worse because of the PSR situation which no doubt Ratcliffe will take full advantage of.

I just hope we don’t get one of their discards.


Barry Rathbone


45 Posted
14/06/2024 at
12:35:17

Branthwaite leaving perfectly illustrates why year-on-year growth to really challenge, as per populist notion, has never worked in the Premier League.

A non-challenging club of moderate means gets a decent player or two and Boom!! they’re gone. You can’t build a team around vanished players.

After that, the lottery of replacement for lesser money begins and it’s wash, rinse, and repeat until fans get fed up and the board and manager come under pressure and the entire edifice crumbles.

The successor to Moshiri needs more than street smarts in business – they need big pockets – I mean huge!!


Robert Tressell


46 Posted
14/06/2024 at
12:37:04

Ray # 21, others have made the (logical) connection between funds generated from player sales and financial rules. I’m just responding to that. I’m not saying I agree with the rules either – just being realistic.

More generally, there are two other aspects to this:

Avoiding going bust. That hopefully seems to be averted now by the amount of interested parties emerging for the takeover. But please don’t expect a new set of owners to pump money into the club for transfers. There will still be player sales.

Generating funds for the acquisition of players. The sell-to-buy approach seems to be very much hated on this site. Some of that is probably a “keeping up with the Joneses” mentality – where selling to a mediocre Man Utd side just reinforces how far we’ve fallen.

Some of this is because we have a track record of atrocious bad spending between about 2016 and 2020 in particular. However, whether we sell Branthwaite or not, we have to become much, much better at player trading (including the sales side) if we are to get back into Europe etc.

Anyway, we all know Branthwaite will be sold and possibly for less than his true value. If so, I just hope people blame the real culprits of Kenwright and Moshiri rather than Dyche and Thelwell.


Steve Shave


47 Posted
14/06/2024 at
12:43:43

I haven’t read any of the above comments but feel a) this is inevitable and b) we must be canny in our response.

We are stifled by all kinds of fiscal restrictions so I’d be looking for a couple of fringe players, say £60-65M plus Hannibal Mejbri (who we wanted last year) and perhaps Diallo or Shoretire on loan. It would help keep the powder dry.


Danny O’Neill


48 Posted
14/06/2024 at
12:49:21

A real shame if this happens, which it looks likely.

He is pure class and a joy to watch. He will only get better.

I’m not sure about us being a feeder club for Manchester United. Without going on Google, I can’t see past Rooney.

I think most of the transactions have been the other way them offloading their players on us. It would not surprise me to see this happen.

Whatever happens, just make sure Sean Dyche gets a slice of the cake to reinvest in an already thin squad.


Gavin Johnson


49 Posted
14/06/2024 at
12:57:57

Steve #45. I agree.

If Man Utd don’t to want pay Branthwaite’s worth, we need to try and get a fringe player as a sweetener.

I suggested Diallo and cash earlier in the thread, but Hannibal might be more viable, given we wanted him last season and he seems to be more on the periphery at Old Trafford.


Ray Roche


50 Posted
14/06/2024 at
13:03:59

Robert @44,

I don’t know how keeping a young player “breaches” any rule. As yet, Masters and his sort aren’t in a position to tell us who we have to sell. Yet.

What is really pissing me off is that arse Ratcliffe thinking he can dictate how much we are to ask for Branthwaite. I’m not impressed with Branthwaite or his agent for entering into discussions about his transfer. I can only assume that there are no longer any rules regarding tapping-up of players.

Okay, it’s always been rumoured to be going on, but I don’t recall anything as blatant as this before. I would like Everton to make an official complaint just to irritate Ratcliffe et al and not just bend over for our regular shafting.


John Pickles


52 Posted
14/06/2024 at
13:25:42

Brian#28
Not sure the significance of your timings. If we constantly sell our best players without being able to use the money generated to get as good or better players in, then a squad that perennially battles promotion is eventually going down. That’s just logic.


Karl Meighan


53 Posted
14/06/2024 at
13:27:30

Losing any player and especially to other Clubs in the North West pisses me off. No wonder its so hard to build, regarding Branthwaite I don’t see us getting more than 65m. Be many screaming here but don’t forget its strikers who normally fetch these massive fees and very few defenders. Anyone buying will be telling us its potential there buying after Branthwaite only playing a season in the Prem.

I hope its not a case of us believing we have 2 very good defenders ready to step in- Michael Keane and Ben Godfrey who is soon to be out of contract, so it softens the blow.

Its more than selling are best players even with psr threats and other debts. The Club will have to make a stand sometime or continue to have vultures circling. By refusing to sell as low as we can go, maybe it shows we wont be trampled on.

The only hardball played by Everton in recent years was Moyes with City for Lescott after that we just seem to accept it and roll over.–


Karl Meighan


54 Posted
14/06/2024 at
13:31:11

Yes Ray @48…

How the fuck can personal terms be agreed before a Club has agreed to sell?


Derek Taylor


55 Posted
14/06/2024 at
13:34:52

The game’s fooked. Under the present ruling – and what is to follow, only the half dozen established rich clubs can sign players of real talent – even if it’s only to have them sitting on their arses!

(It keeps them out of their rivals’ teams anyway and stops teams like Everton getting too successful.)

I hope City win their ‘freedom’ case and bugger off to Europe with the other ‘top teams’ whilst we get back to real competition – VAR-less and all!


Dave Lynch


56 Posted
14/06/2024 at
13:35:25

If Braithwaite has anything about him, he’d tell Man Utd to meet our asking price or he won’t move.


Raymond Fox


57 Posted
14/06/2024 at
13:39:28

Dave @ 35,

I’m just surprised that a goalkeeper of his ability has not been a target for one of the top 6 clubs. At least I’ve not seen any rumours etc of him being a target.

He probably is happy to stay with us, I wasn’t suggesting otherwise, he is behind a good defence and still England No 1, I hope he stays.


Sam Hoare


58 Posted
14/06/2024 at
13:48:33

Usually a player exchange doesn’t help us much as it’s less helpful for our PSR situation but that might change where there is a hefty sell-on fee.

We won’t get more than £80M for him because non-Evertonians simply don’t know him as well or rate him as highly as Evertonians.

Not sure he’d be available but I rate Willy Kambwala and maybe £60M + him would be a decent deal for both teams? They could include a £35M buy-back clause or similar.

Sad to see Branthwaite go but, unless we get a good offer on Onana before the end of the month, then it seems a necessary evil.


Christy Ring


59 Posted
14/06/2024 at
13:48:42

Rumours that Man Utd have agreed terms, if so they should be reported and fined for discussing terms with a player who is under contract.

Thelwell and Dyche should insist on keeping the youngest and best left-sided centre-back in Britain. The best part of our team this season, and the reason we conceded so little, which kept us in the Premier League was the Tarkowski & Branthwaite partnership.

It’ll be a total disgrace if he’s sold; sell Onana. Why should we accept £65M, are we that desperate? His price tag should be £100M, isn’t that what Maguire cost, and Carlisle are due 15%.

I’d prefer a points reduction. If he goes, it’s a sad day and fuck Moshiri.


Ian Jones


60 Posted
14/06/2024 at
14:00:12

Danny, re players going from us to Man Utd, no need to Google.

I give you Fellaini and Lukaku.


Rob Halligan


61 Posted
14/06/2024 at
14:15:28

All a load of bollocks. There has been no agreement between Branthwaite or Man Utd whatsoever. I don’t think there has been any contact between the two clubs or the player himself either.

That’s not to say there won’t be any in the future, but I’m also hearing there are a few clubs interested in him.


Brian Williams


62 Posted
14/06/2024 at
14:22:03

Rob is that from the guy you sometimes bump into in the park? (If that’s you 🥴).


Danny O’Neill


63 Posted
14/06/2024 at
14:29:48

I don’t think that makes us a Manchester United feeder club. We’ve bought players from many clubs, we’ve sold players to many clubs.

It’s football. It has always been the way.

Let’s see what happens with Branthwaite.

It’s that that time of year.


Ed Prytherch


64 Posted
14/06/2024 at
14:35:59

EFC may have granted permission to Man Utd to talk to Branthwaite.


Ian Jones


65 Posted
14/06/2024 at
14:40:00

Danny, take your point.

Apologies, the clue was in feeder remark!


Rob Halligan


66 Posted
14/06/2024 at
14:44:32

Brian, it’s from about the most reliable source you can imagine, but I’m not going to say who it is, but it’s all 100% true.


Danny O’Neill


67 Posted
14/06/2024 at
14:44:59

No need to apologise Ian.

If this does happen we will all be disappointed and may end up with Harry Maguire!!


Gary Mortimer


68 Posted
14/06/2024 at
14:48:43

Karl #51

I think Martinez played hardball with Chelsea over John Stones. I remember the Chelsea fan (one of Paul Hawksbee and Andy Jacobs) on Talkshite saying “He’s coming to Chelsea, it’s definite”. He ended up staying for another year and then going to City and winning everything. . . so you can’t blame him really.

Jarrod should hold out for a more successful club than United, they are in a mess at the moment. I can see City coming in for him when they have “done with” Dias and Stones.


Kieran Kinsella


69 Posted
14/06/2024 at
14:55:12

Rob Halligan has proven consistently accurate with info on Jarrad in the past.

As far as “agreeing terms,” I guess the thing with that is you have the agent factor. Clubs can’t (supposedly even though we hear so many tales of Fergie calling players up at home etc down the years) talk to players without clubs permission. But what is to stop them talking to the agent and gauging what the player is on and what the player (AKA agent) would expect IF or when the player were to move?

This story though is a bit weird because for weeks we’ve been hearing how Utd have no money to spend, and cutting costs, and more recently “baulked” at Everton’s demands. Now suddenly they supposedly decided to offer a big sum (albeit one less than we might want.” Not suggesting there is no hint of truth in it but the media tend to say things are in the bag. e.g. various parties having “bought” the club, kenyon’s group, msp, 777, Samuelson, etc none of which came to pass.


Kevin Edward


70 Posted
14/06/2024 at
15:12:14

It is the silly season for transfer gossip.

I’d like the club to make a stand, if this is all true, and dig in for a huge cash fee and sell-on clause, especially if Jarrad doesn’t really want to leave.

Football business stinks, but we need to avoid the drop next season so positive PSR will help. Then perhaps we can hang on to our best players at the new stadium and start to recover.

I feel sad that we are in this position now, huge thanks to our ‘world class’ leadership team of the past.


Joe McMahon


71 Posted
14/06/2024 at
15:21:55

Echoing what others have said, I’m very concerned with Jarrad leaving. I consider him to be by far our best player. Shit ain’t it when a club can just cherry-pick other teams’ best?

Why can we never do a Liverpool or Brighton and demand top dollar and get it! Yet again underselling.

Rooney, Richarlison and now Branthwaite. Should be no less than £90M. Man Utd paid a fortune for Maguire, for fuck’s sake!


Alan McGuffog


72 Posted
14/06/2024 at
16:09:23

Amen, Joe.

I’m told our new badge is the ToffeeLady bent over with her skirts hitched up with the new motto “Welcome Man Utd!”


Ed Prytherch


73 Posted
14/06/2024 at
16:10:39

If I were Jarrad, I would have my agent talking to Real Madrid.

Serial winners, brilliant coaches, nice weather, good food.


Ian Bennett


74 Posted
14/06/2024 at
16:14:26

It’s pretty outrageous if it’s right, that Man Utd have agreed a £7.5M signing-on fee and £5M a year contract.

Probably paper talk, but that’s clear tapping up when no fee has been agreed.

How can you stand your ground on a fee, if that’s been done?


Brian Williams


75 Posted
14/06/2024 at
16:31:24

Man Utd make their first bid according to David Ornstein and Sky.

£35M for fuck’s sake!


Brian Williams


76 Posted
14/06/2024 at
16:32:25

Rob #66.

Cheers, mate. I trust your word!


Kevin Molloy


77 Posted
14/06/2024 at
16:36:25

Southgate will be having sleepless nights now, tossing and turning…

“How could I have known Man Utd were going to buy him? Fool, Gareth, you bloody fool!”


Jay Harris


78 Posted
14/06/2024 at
16:39:46

Could be the Manc papers and media talking up the deal.

We know Man Utd want Jarrad, who doesn’t, but I would hope there is no way we sell him unless it’s an outrageous bid which an arrogant prick like Ratcliffe will not sanction.

I’m just glad Black Bill isn’t involved in any negotiations.


Robert Williams


79 Posted
14/06/2024 at
16:55:44

Take a minimum of £75M plus increments of £2M each time he plays for Engerland and an additional £20M when he captains Man Utd or Engerland.

Oh, I forgot — and a 10% selling-on fee.


Ted Donnelly


80 Posted
14/06/2024 at
17:00:01

Don’t go, kid.

The grass isn’t always greener.


Steve Brown


81 Posted
14/06/2024 at
17:01:21

I believe Rob H.

Man Utd have planted the story with the media to unsettle the player. Their half-witted belief is that Branthwaite will push for a move and drive down the fee towards their derisory £35 million bid.

They are a joke of a club, so why would he choose them?


Ian Jones


82 Posted
14/06/2024 at
17:05:54

I believe we should make a counter offer.

Offer a £1 million for Mainoo.


Paul Ferry


83 Posted
14/06/2024 at
17:10:50

Nothing “fishy”, Anthony Dove (21), although I know how much some of you on here love your conspiracy theories.

It’s a bigger/richer club preying on smaller fish kicking off with a low bid to test the needy. It’s what happens these days.


Mike Corcoran


84 Posted
14/06/2024 at
17:16:09

Sideways move!

Surely he’ll hold out for Carlo’s bid! 🙂


Ian Bennett


85 Posted
14/06/2024 at
17:27:58

£35m? Clearly don’t think that much about him then…


Shaun Parker


86 Posted
14/06/2024 at
17:53:10

So Man Utd bid £35m for our best player. And have apparently already agreed personal terms with the player.

Are they allowed to speak with our player when he is under contract with us? Without asking for permission?

Typical Man Utd, total lack of any class.

Swap deal:- Branthwaite for Mainoo and Rashford?


Jack Convery


87 Posted
14/06/2024 at
17:58:24

Sorry about the language but to say I’m livid would be a great underestimation of my feelings right now.

£35M – who the fuck does this Jim Radcliffe think he is? What a gobshite. EFC are in trouble so let’s make hay!!!

He also wants the taxpayer to pay for a new updated Old Trafford! You couldn’t make it up.

If Eberton sell Jarrad for less than £80M plus add-ons, they’ve certainly bent over and lowered their pants. Tell them to do one and say until they get serious and really serious we won’t be picking up the phone.

I’d rather take a points sanction than sell him for bloody peanuts. As I said, what a gobshite. Piss off.


Karl Meighan


88 Posted
14/06/2024 at
18:07:14

Just refuse to speak to them and remind them how much they have paid for some of the shite they have playing there.

If they want to insult, let them know they paid £57M for a older untested at the time Martinez and more for Mcguire,


Ian Wilkins


89 Posted
14/06/2024 at
18:12:59

Have some class Everton. If you have indicated your value for the player, if, then if someone offers you half of that then just ignore it.

Do not respond, do not engage, treat it with the contempt it deserves. Do not be drawn in by idiots. If we are going to sell then name your price and stick to it.


Paul Ferry


90 Posted
14/06/2024 at
18:42:05

If the roles were reversed our opening testing bid would also have been somewhere in the region of £35M.

It’s realpolitik. Don’t feel insulted. The only thing that matters is how the club responds not any of us.

So, right now my main concern is who on earth is calling these shots at the club. If it is the absentee landlord then expect Jarrad to go for somewhere in the middle of £35M/£80M.

The Old Trafford people are simply taking advantage of a club that from the outside (and inside) is in ownership limbo, has no clear decision-making, and, to cap it all, are desperate for £££££££.

There’s nothing immoral or inappropriate about this. It’s just the post-1992 world of Premier League cut and thrust financial and administrative acumen and aggression that we have been historically shite at.


Christy Ring


91 Posted
14/06/2024 at
18:55:16

Sky says they offered £35M, fair price, so they can take Michael Keane back to where he started.


Bill Watson


92 Posted
14/06/2024 at
18:58:48

It’s been going on for years: Rooney, Stones, Gordon, Rodwell, Lescott. Richarlison, Arteta, Lukaku and probably others I can’t recall off the top of my head.

Branthwaite looks like the centre-back of his generation and even at £80M would be a bargain. If I was him, the only clubs I’d consider would be Real Madrid or Man City as Man Utd are almost as much of a shambles as we are!

How can we ever compete at the top end if we’re constantly feeding them our best players at bargain prices?

Thanks, Bill Kenwright. This is your true legacy.


David Nicholls


93 Posted
14/06/2024 at
19:01:21

£80M is the price and not a penny less.

In Man United’s case, the price should increase to £100M for the cynical attempt to take advantage of our PSR situation.


Paul Ferry


95 Posted
14/06/2024 at
19:36:25

Hopefully the rumours about Arsenal and the mediocrity Onana will prove to be true and might have an impact on this story to our advantage.

This, with today’s ownership news, could well allow us to say no to any Branthwaite bid, but there are too many balls being juggled in the air at the same time right now for any real certainty or clarity.


Rob Halligan


96 Posted
14/06/2024 at
21:01:31

£35M… hahaha….fuck me, my house is worth more than that.

Oh, and by the way, there has been no communication between Branthwaite and the red shite Mancs.


Kieran Kinsella


97 Posted
14/06/2024 at
21:07:53

Rob

“£35M…….hahaha….fuck me, my house is worth more than that.”

You’re not one of the mystery bidders for the club are you?


David Currie


98 Posted
14/06/2024 at
21:40:34

Steve 81,

A joke of a club who have won 2 trophies in the last 2 years!!
Wish to God we could be a joke of a club?

We need to keep Branthwaite but, if we do sell, then no less than £80M plus extra when he plays for England 50 times!!


Rob Halligan


99 Posted
14/06/2024 at
21:43:46

Kieran……….if only!!


Brian Wilkinson


100 Posted
14/06/2024 at
22:36:55

Tapping up

Currently, under FIFA and FA transfer rules, if a club wants to procure the services of a player registered with another club, they must speak directly with that club and not to the player or his representatives. The player and his representatives will only be brought in for discussions with the potential purchasing club once the two clubs have agreed a fee.

Often a club wishing to buy a player from another club will contact the player directly to try and persuade him to join them should a bidding war for that player ensue. Also, if the club wishing to sign the player feels his current club would be unwilling to sell, they may contact the player to unsettle him at his current club and thus persuade him to hand in a transfer request.

The footballer’s representatives are likely to have a big involvement in setting up a meeting between the club and his player. The player’s agent will be the first port of call for the club wishing to gain the services of the player and often it is the agent which makes the first contact with potential clubs touting the services of the player he represents.

Article 22 of the FIFA Players’ Agents Regulations prohibits a player’s agent from approaching any player who is under contract to a club with the aim of persuading him to terminate his contract prematurely or to violate any obligations stipulated in the employment contract. It shall be presumed, unless established to the contrary, that any players’ agent involved in a contractual breach committed by the player without just cause has induced such breach of contract.


Gavin Johnson


101 Posted
14/06/2024 at
23:21:35

Jim Ratcliffe still thinking he’s living in 2014 it seems


Jeff Armstrong


102 Posted
14/06/2024 at
23:39:41

Man United created the market of £80 million centre backs years ago, when they signed mediocrity from Leicester,now they want the best left sided centre back in England for £35 million!!!
Get the fuck 🦝cliffe,and take your parasite club bids with you, come back with £100 million and we might then tell you to fuck off politely.


Keith Harrison


103 Posted
14/06/2024 at
23:52:21

Rob H is right.

The Telegraph is incorrect – so far – on any agreement between the player and Man Utd. A number of other clubs are also very interested, so Man U need to show how serious they are for a bid to be accepted.

With the news tonight on Friedkin agreeing a deal in principle with the Mosh, I’d rather see Onana and even (plus) DCL go, and use Jarrad as a bedrock for the future.

If things in other areas can move quickly, I think he could well stay – if the club itself start sitting down with the lad, and give him re-assurances about our ambition including him. That, however, is not, to my belief, happening at the moment.


Don Alexander


104 Posted
15/06/2024 at
00:24:44

JB is a very young man indeed, but now wealthy beyond anything he could have imagined just two years ago. As said, he’s very young.

He’ll also have an agent who’s devoted to lining his own pocket asap by way of what he, the agent, will contend as a mega-deal by signing for any one of the “big” clubs (after all, Jarrad could bin him next month couldn’t he – hence the agent’s haste).

I just hope Jarrad takes a leaf out of Jordan’s experience and chooses, as the very young man he is, to go on gaining regular selection in an excellent defensive unit in an otherwise bog-standard Premier League club from which, in two or three seasons, he’ll be able to more or less select which top club he chooses to sign for, thereby becoming ludicrously wealthy, and trophy-laden too.

Man U are not a club to deliver top trophies in the next two or three seasons at least.


Kieran Kinsella


105 Posted
15/06/2024 at
00:44:34

Keith

I imagine Dyche Thelwell and even Chong can’t offer assurances due to the ownership fiasco but hopefully they changes asap. JB seems like a level headed young man and agreed I’d sooner cash in on others.


Anthony Dwyer


106 Posted
15/06/2024 at
01:00:46

Just watch, these c**ts have got us by the balls, the prem with there so called fair play will see to it we won’t see anything over £55m for him (more like £45/50 plus bonus ) when we have the right to a bigger fee like fafana maguire etc.
Need to off Godfrey etc b4 the end of the month N dig our heels in or keep r contracted player.


Si Pulford


107 Posted
15/06/2024 at
01:13:04

Anthony it’s their opening bid. It’s already been rejected. Take a breath. No way he goes for 55 million. Not a chance.


David Morgan


108 Posted
15/06/2024 at
01:26:42

Idiots at Man Utd, offer him to other clubs for 80 million and charge them 90 million for this insult (if we are selling), or even better keep him one more year and sell for the same price then. Sell someone else, Onana would be my choice.


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