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Could the BBC recoup Huw Edwards’ salary? Employment lawyer says corporation has ‘no automatic right’ to seize disgraced star’s pay packet after Tim Davie insists it would be ‘nigh on impossible’

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The BBC appears unlikely to be able to recoup the £200,000 paid to Huw Edwards after he was arrested or the £300,000-a-year pension he can now receive.

The corporation knew the 62-year-old presenter had been arrested last November but continued to pay his salary until he resigned on medical advice this April.

Edwards had been the BBC’s highest-paid newsreader, with its accounts putting him in a pay bracket of between £475,000 and £479,999 for 2023/24. This was a £40,000 pay rise from 2022/23, when he was paid between £435,000 and £439,999.

And the veteran broadcaster, who joined the BBC in 1984, is estimated to have received more than £200,000 pre-tax after his bosses knew of the allegations.

Edwards also could still retire on a BBC pension paying more than £300,000-a-year, despite admitting making indecent photographs of children in court on Wednesday.

Director-general Tim Davie said the BBC will ‘look at all options’ over Huw Edwards’s pay

Huw Edwards leaves court on Wednesday after admitting making indecent images of children

Huw Edwards leaves court on Wednesday after admitting making indecent images of children 

Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy has now asked the BBC to look into whether it can recoup money from Edwards’s pay packet.

ANALYSIS: Could the BBC have sacked Huw Edwards with a parallel disciplinary probe? 

By MICHAEL NADIN

Huw Edwards will have been entitled to receive salary and pension contributions for as long as his employment continued.

Had the BBC taken action when they first found out about the allegations they could potentially have run a parallel disciplinary investigation and – depending on the outcome – dismissed him.

However, the BBC may have been asked by the police not to take this action for fear that it would interfere with an ongoing criminal investigation.

Unfortunately, because Huw Edward’s employment continued until April 2024 – when he resigned – the BBC would have no automatic right to recoup any payments made to him up to this point.

The only exceptions would be if there was a clause in his employment contract which allowed recovery in these circumstance – which seems very unlikely – or if Huw Edwards voluntarily agrees to return the money.’

MICHAEL NADIN is an employment partner at DFA Law LLP, Northampton

As fury mounts over the BBC’s handling of the case, its director-general Tim Davie said the corporation is considering legal action to get back some of his payments.

When asked about Edwards keeping his pension, Mr Davie told BBC News that the sums are ‘very difficult to claw back, nigh on impossible’ and ‘unfortunately the specifics of how it works’.

Mr Davie – who has spoken to Ms Nandy about the situation – added: ‘When it comes to pay, again, (it’s) legally challenging (to recover), but we’ll look at all options.’

He has also defended the BBC’s decision to employ the broadcaster until April, five months after he was told of Edwards’s arrest in November over the most serious category of indecent images of children.

BBC bosses were not aware of the ages of the children in the images.

Today, one employment law specialist pointed out that the BBC has ‘no automatic right to recoup any payments made to him up to this point’.

Michael Nadin, employment partner at Northampton-based DFA Law LLP, told MailOnline: ‘Huw Edwards will have been entitled to receive salary and pension contributions for as long as his employment continued.

‘Had the BBC taken action when they first found out about the allegations they could potentially have run a parallel disciplinary investigation and – depending on the outcome – dismissed him.

‘However, the BBC may have been asked by the police not to take this action for fear that it would interfere with an ongoing criminal investigation.

‘Unfortunately, because Huw Edward’s employment continued until April 2024 – when he resigned – the BBC would have no automatic right to recoup any payments made to him up to this point.

‘The only exceptions would be if there was a clause in his employment contract which allowed recovery in these circumstance – which seems very unlikely – or if Huw Edwards voluntarily agrees to return the money.’

Ian Jones, director and principal solicitor at Spencer Shaw Solicitors in Birmingham, said the concept of recovering either the pay or pension ‘seems to be a political reaction without knowledge of the complexities of employment or pension law’.

Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy has asked the BBC to look into whether it can recoup money from Edwards's pay packet after the former broadcaster admitted the charges on Wednesday

Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy has asked the BBC to look into whether it can recoup money from Edwards’s pay packet after the former broadcaster admitted the charges on Wednesday

He told MailOnline: ‘Suspension is a neutral act under the Acas Code of Practice on Disciplinary Procedures.

What are the charges against Huw Edwards – and could he be jailed? 

Huw Edwards has admitted three counts of making indecent images of children, but what do the charges mean, and could he face prison?

Edwards appeared at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday, where he admitted the counts during a 26-minute hearing. He was released on conditional bail, and will next appear at the same court on September 16.

What are the charges against Huw Edwards?

Edwards admitted three counts of making indecent images of children.

The charges cover a period between December 2020 and August 2021, and include 41 indecent images of children.

The images range from the most serious category, known as category A, to the least serious, known as Category C.

They include seven category A images, 12 category B images, and 22 category C images.

Of the category A images, the estimated age of most of the children was between 13 and 15, but one was aged between seven and nine, the court was told.

What do the different categories for indecent images mean?

The Sentencing Council, a public body sponsored by the Ministry Of Justice, defines category A images as those involving penetrative sexual activity, sexual activity with an animal, or sadism.

Category B images are those involving non-penetrative sexual activity, while category C images are indecent images that do not fall into A or B.

What does it mean to ‘make’ indecent images of a child?

According to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), ‘making’ an indecent image has been broadly interpreted by the courts.

It can range from opening an attachment to an email containing an image, to accessing pornographic websites in which indecent photographs of children appear by way of an automatic ‘pop-up’ mechanism.

In the case of Edwards, he received the illegal images as part of a WhatsApp conversation.

Speaking in Edwards’ defence, his barrister Philip Evans KC said his client had not ‘created’ the images ‘in the traditional sense of the word’.

A number of potential defences to the charge exist, including not seeing the images and having no reason to believe that the images were indecent, having a legitimate reason to possess the images, or if the images were unsolicited and not kept for an unreasonable amount of time.

Could Huw Edwards be sent to prison?

The maximum prison sentence for making an indecent image of a child is 10 years.

Sentencing guidelines set the starting point for any jail term for possession of a Category A image at 12 months, with a range of 26 weeks to three years.

The starting point is 26 weeks for a category B image, and a community order for category C.

Aggravating features to be taken into account for Edwards include that the images included moving images, and the young age of the child thought to be seven to nine years old in two of the category A images.

Mitigating factors are Edwards’ early guilty plea, his previous good character, his mental health issues, and his remorse.

‘If an employer makes a decision to suspend an employee, it must continue to pay the employee – including pension contributions. The employer’s obligation to pay an employee does not cease until they decide to terminate employment.

‘It is the employer’s choice whether to proceed with disciplinary action whilst a police investigation is ongoing. The procedures and standards of proof are different for both.

‘The employer does not need to wait until the authorities to reach a decision to complete its own disciplinary proceedings.’

He said that most employers do await the outcome of the criminal process, because they could face claims for unfair dismissal if the proceedings do not result in a conviction.

Mr Jones continued: ‘The BBC made a choice which may have been the right one at the time. Hindsight always has the advantage of coming after the event.

‘There is little prospect of the BBC being able to recover either the salary paid or the employee’s pension. Pensions are administered by the pension trustees, not the BBC.

‘This seems to be a political reaction without knowledge of the complexities of employment or pension law.’

Another employment law specialist said that it could have been an expensive legal mistake for the BBC to have sacked Huw Edwards last November after his arrest.

Dawn Robertson from BTO Solicitors told BBC News: ‘The mere fact that an employee has been arrested is not sufficient on its own for the employer to conclude that the offence has been committed.

‘Accordingly, an employer will have to think long and hard before determining whether there are grounds for dismissing before any criminal trial takes place.’

She said this argument could still apply once someone has been charged, given that if they were found not guilty it could left an employer ‘in a position of acting unfairly and it might be pursued for unfair dismissal in an employment tribunal’.

Ms Nandy spoke with Mr Davie yesterday after Edwards admitted three counts of making indecent photographs, with seven of the 41 images being of the most serious type.

After the meeting between Ms Nandy and Mr Davie, a statement issued by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport said: ‘The Culture Secretary is, like the whole nation, shocked by Huw Edwards’ abhorrent actions, and her thoughts are with the victims whose lives have been destroyed. It is now for the judiciary to decide on an appropriate sentence.

‘The BBC is operationally and editorially independent, but given the incredibly serious nature of this issue, the Secretary of State has spoken to the BBC to raise concerns on a number of points regarding the handling of their own investigations into Huw Edwards, what safeguards and processes had been followed in this case, and additionally, what further action may be taken, especially with regard to the handling of licence fee payers’ money.’

The DCMS statement added that Ms Nandy ‘sought assurance that the BBC has robust processes in place regarding non-editorial complaints, and the handling of complex contractual matters, so that in future it can act at pace and be transparent with the public at the earliest opportunity to ensure trust is maintained’.

Ms Nandy has asked the broadcaster to keep her updated on any developments in the case.

Yesterday, Mr Davie defended the pay rise for Edwards , saying it was made up of an ‘inflationary increase’ and work he did at the BBC in February 2023 before any allegations were made.

Mr Davie also said the corporation will ‘look at all options’ in trying to reclaim pay from Edwards after the revelations.

Asked how much BBC managers were told in November after Edwards’ arrest, Mr Davie said: ‘We knew it was serious, we knew no specifics, apart from the category of the potential offences.’

He also confirmed that the chief executive of BBC News & Current Affairs, Deborah Turness, knew about the charges before this week, BBC News reported.

Mr Davie said there was a ‘very small group of people at the centre’ who knew and they had a ‘very restricted list of names’.

‘When it comes to news, there was one name on it, the CEO of news, Deborah Turness. She isn’t involved editorially in the reporting of the story,’ he added.

Mr Davie defended the corporation’s decision not to sack Edwards in November, saying: ‘The police came to us and said, ‘Look, we need to do our work in total confidence, we’ve arrested, please keep this confidential’.

‘And at that point, I think the principle is clear in my mind, and I say we thought long and hard about this, this wasn’t a knee-jerk decision.

‘And it was difficult but when the police, if you think about this in terms of precedent, people do get arrested and then we’ve had situations where no charges (are made) and there’s nothing there to be followed up on.’

While he knew the severity of the charges, Mr Davie said he was ‘very shocked’ when the details of Edwards’ arrest came to light in full earlier this week.

‘We were very shocked. No-one knew about the specifics of what we heard over the last few days, which have been deeply disturbing,’ he said.

He claimed that because Edwards remained suspended before his resignation in April, there were no issues relating to BBC employees’ safety.

Huw Edwards arrives at Westminster Magistrates' Court on Wednesday for his court hearing

Huw Edwards arrives at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday for his court hearing

He added: ‘Another factor at this point was very significant duty-of-care considerations.

‘I think it was right for us to say, ‘Look, we’ll let the police do their business, and then when charges happen, we will act’.’

The BBC previously said after Edwards’s guilty plea that if he had been charged while he was still an employee it would have sacked him, but at the point of charge he no longer worked for the corporation.

Huw Edwards has behaved in an ‘utterly deplorable’ manner and should hand back thousands of pounds he was paid by the BBC,

Meanwhile one of the nation’s most distinguished broadcasters said last night that Edwards had behaved in an ‘utterly deplorable’ manner and should hand back thousands of pounds he was paid by the BBC.

Huw Edwards announced the death of Queen Elizabeth II on BBC News on September 8, 2022

Huw Edwards announced the death of Queen Elizabeth II on BBC News on September 8, 2022

In a searing condemnation of his former colleague, Nicholas Witchell said Edwards should have quit as soon as he was arrested for child sex offences last November because he would have immediately known that ‘the game was up’.

He accused the Edwards of putting the corporation in ‘an impossible position’ and said he should repay the wages he received since his arrest if he has ‘a shred of decency’.

The intervention will pile further pressure on Edwards to cough up the cash.

Witchell – who retired earlier this year after a decades-long career that included a lengthy stint as the BBC’s royal correspondent – told the Mail he had regarded Edwards ‘as a friend’ and had ‘expressed sympathy for him’ after the initial nude photos controversy broke in July last year.

He said: ‘I now think his behaviour is utterly deplorable. The very least he should have done last November when he was arrested is immediately to have resigned. He would have known then that the game was up.

‘Instead, he put the BBC in an impossible position as it tried to discharge its duty of care towards him.

‘The very least he should do now, if he has a shred of decency, is to repay the money the BBC has paid him since his arrest.

‘The BBC has tried to be honourable in the way it has handled this. He has been dishonourable and shabby in his response.’

Radio 5 presenter Nicky Campbell also attacked Edwards. Mr Campbell, who was physically abused by a teacher when he was at school, said: ‘Let’s think about the children in these images.

‘Callously exploited and psychologically destroyed… [they] will live with this for ever, and all for the twisted pleasure of the disgusting men who trade and swap this misery.’

The BBC said after Edwards' guilty plea that if he had been charged while he was still an employee it would have sacked him, but at the point of charge he no longer worked for them

The BBC said after Edwards’ guilty plea that if he had been charged while he was still an employee it would have sacked him, but at the point of charge he no longer worked for them

Radio 2 presenter Jeremy Vine said the BBC should clarify if it had asked Edwards if he was guilty when it was made aware of his arrest.

He called on bosses to confirm if they had tried to establish whether the star was guilty or not, adding: ‘You can’t justify paying him beyond November if you know he’s guilty.’

Vine said on his Channel 5 talk show: ‘We need to find out if BBC said, what [were you arrested] for and are you guilty? If he said to them, ‘It’s for these serious offences, but I’m not guilty’, then I would think you could start to take action to get the money back. Because that clearly is a lie. He’s admitted he’s guilty.’

Former BBC royal correspondent Jennie Bond said: ‘Frankly, if Huw has any dignity left then he would hand some of the money back, certainly the 200 grand he has made since his arrest.’

Edwards admitted making indecent photographs, with seven being of the most serious type

Edwards admitted making indecent photographs, with seven being of the most serious type 

It emerged in July last year that Edwards had paid a young person £35,000-plus for explicit images.

Edwards resigned from the BBC in April ‘on the basis of medical advice from his doctors’ after unrelated allegations revealed in July last year that he paid a young person £35,000-plus for sexually explicit photos.

He eventually resigned from the BBC in April, and police found no evidence of criminal behaviour in that matter.

But it was revealed on Monday that Edwards was arrested on November 8 last year regarding the indecent photographs.

He admitted the charges at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday, and will next appear in court on September 16.

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